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I received this first e-mail saying they want to give me 25% of Ten Million Dollars U.S. or $250.000.00 US Dollars.
Just like all the rest you can tell it's a fraud, but I wanted to find out more about it.

Other scam emails I have up - Yours In Christ Internet Email Scam, Mohammed Abacha Internet Email Scam, Lotto.com Internet Email Scam, Luckyday Lottery International Internet Email Scam, Techie Lottery International Netherlands Internet Email Scam, Mrs. Caroline Solange Haafkens Internet Email Scams, and Mr Xiao Jun/Representative needed Internet Email Scam, EL Gordo Spanish Sweepstake Lottery Scam.


Remember "Never" - "Ever" give out any of your personal or financial information.


These people will try anything to scam you, but when you let them know you will not be ripped off they stop returning your e-mails.


This is just one version of the letter/email that has been used or still is being used.

Check the links on this page or do a search with the major search engines.



Here are all the emails starting with the first one I received.

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Subject: BUSINESS PROPOSAL

From: chris buber

Date: Mon, Apr 04, 2005 3:47 am

To: john@dragonmay.com



ANGLOGOLD CO.S/A


EMAIL: chris8buber@yahoo.com

WEBSITE:www.anglogoldashanti.co.za

ATTN: PRESIDENT/ CEO.


DEAR SIR,

IT IS WITH TRUST AND CONFIDENCE THAT I WRITE TO REVEAL THIS URGENT BUSINESS PROPOSAL TO YOU. I WAS ASSIGNED BY MY COLLEAGUES TO FIND A FOREIGN PARTNER WHO WILL ASSIST US IN PROVIDING AN OVERSEAS BANK ACCOUNT FOR THE TRANSFER OF US$10,000,000.00 (TEN MILLION UNITED STATES DOLLARS ONLY) THE ACTUAL CONTRACT VALUE WAS US$120 MILLON (ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY MILLION DOLLARS ONLY), BUT MY COLLEAGUES AND I BEING MEMBER OF THE CONTRACT AWARD/ REVIEW COMMITTEE OVER INFLATED THE CONTRACT SUM TO US$130 MILLION (ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY MILLION DOLLARS ONLY), WITH THE INTENTION OF SHARING THE REMAINING BALANCE OF US$10 MILLION. WE THEREFORE WANT TO TRANSFER OUT OF THE COUNTRY IN OUR FAVOUR FOR DISBURSEMENT AMONG OURSELVES THE SUM OF US$10 MILLION ONLY.

ALSO WE AGREED THAT IF YOU/YOUR COMPANY CAN ACT AS THE BENEFICIARY OF THIS FUND, WE WILL TRANSFER THE FUND TO YOUR ACCOUNT AND YOU WILL RETAIN 25% OF THE TOTAL FUND FOR THE ASSISTANCE RENDERED, WHILE 70% WILL BE FOR US AND THE BALANCE OF 5% WILL BE SET ASIDE FOR THE EXPENSES THAT MIGHT BE INCURRED BY BOTH PARTIES DURING THE PROCESS OF THE FUND TRANSFER. THE TRANSACTION WILL TAKE TEN WORKING DAYS.

WE REQUEST YOU CO-OPERATE WITH US AND PROVIDE A CONVENIENT ACCOUNT NUMBER IN DESIGNATED BANK WHERE THIS FUND CAN BE SAFELY TRANSFER TO, WE INTEND TO COME OVER THERE ON THE COMPLETION OF THE FUND TRANSFER TO SECURE OUR SHARE.PLEASE, NOTE THAT WE HAVE BEEN CAREFUL AND HAVE WORKED OUT ALL THE MODALITIES FOR A SMOOTH TRANSFER OF THE FUND TO YOUR CHOSEN BANK ACCOUNT BEFORE CONTACTING YOU THEREFORE, YOU ARE ADVISED NOT TO EXPOSE THIS PROPOSAL TO ANYBODY FOR THE PURPOSE OF SECURITY AND ITS CONFIDENTIAL NATURE, WE ALSO BELIEVE YOU WOULD NOT SIT ON OUR MONEY WHEN TRANSFER INTO YOUR ACCOUNT AS YOU WILL GET YOUR 100% SHARE.BE REST ASSURED THAT THIS TRANSACTION IS 100% RISK FREE, IF THIS PROPOSAL IS ACCEPTED, PLEASE CONTACT US THROUGH THE TEL NUMBER: 27-828120810 OR BY INDICATING YOUR INTEREST AND SENDING THE FOLLOWING TO US: BANK ACCOUNT NUMBER/ ADDRESS/ TELEPHONE, FAX, TELEX, SWIFT/ CODE NUMBER, NAME OF BENEFICIARY E.T.C. NOTE THAT THE PARTICULAR NATURE OF YOUR BUSINESS DOES NOT NECESSARILY MATTER IN THIS TRANSACTION.


THANKS FOR YOUR ANTICIPATED RESPONSE.

YOURS SINCERELY

MR CHRIS BUBER


(SENIOR ACCOUNTANT SOUTH AFRICAN ANGLO GOLD CORPORATION)

BOARD CHAIRMAN: DR. JAMES KAKI. DR.KEN JACOB.

DR.FRANK MBOMA. MRS.JANE MGAKE. MRS.PATRICIA KEKE


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I sent this the scammers;


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Subject: BUSINESS PROPOSAL

From: john@dragonmay.com

Date: Fri, Apr 15, 2005 11:05 pm

To: chris buber



Dear Chris;


This sound to good to be ture, I could sure use the money. Only I'm not sure what you want me to do. Could you please send me an email with what it is you want me to do?


Thanks


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I received this back:


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Subject: Thanks For Your Mail

From: chris buber

Date: Sun, Apr 17, 2005 8:52 am

To: john@dragonmay.com



Dear John,


I thank you for your mail,in respect of my call for a mutual busines which as you know will surely benefit both of us.

I appreciate your interest and wish to let you know that this transaction is aimed at finalizing with utmost urgency and in this respect i anticiapte urgency in our communications to enable us realize the succes of this transaction

However, this money will be transfered straight from the bank over here in South Africa to your bank account and i do hope you can provide agood bank account which will be able to carry thsi amount of money for you and for us.

If you do have an account,and you are sure you will maintain confidentiality in this transaction please forward your account details to me and i will inturn send to you the modalities of the transfer.once the money is remitted into your bank account you will be sent a remittance advice to proof that this money is in your account and with you.

We however count on your trustworthyness and honesty hence we believe you will keep this money safe untill our arrival to your country to meet you for the sharing as we have agreed. I f you have do not agree with the percentage i have offered you please comment now because i would not want any thing that will make you un happy after the transaction or any thing that will make you feel cheated,since i will be happy if you are happy and you enjoy your own percentage while we on the other hand will enjoy ours too and since we may like to invest in a business over there we will like you to assist or direct us in investments in your country.

I anticipate your positive response and as soon as i recieve your mail i will send to you the modalities which will explain clearly the procedyres of the transfer and aslo i will send you an agreement which will bind us and will protect our interest and rights as we have agreed.

I thank you again for your cooperation and understanding while i wait for your urgent reply.

Best Regards,

Chris Buba


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I sent this to the scammer calling him self Chris. I thought I would have some fun with him and see how long he would take the abuse. So I made up this story about having a cousin who was married to the son of a Mafia Don;


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Subject: Thanks For Your Mail

From: john@dragonmay.com

Date: Sun, Apr 17, 2005 11:49 pm

To: chris buber



Dear Chris:


I don't know where to start; I opened and was reading your email below when my cousin and her husband came over for a visit. I forgot to close the e-mail and he seen it and read it. Well, before I could do anything he was on his phone to his Uncle about it.

His Uncle wanted to talk to me so he gave me the cell phone; he is very interested in this deal. He is the head of his family. Let me explain, He runs an organized crime family out of New York City, as well as Atlantic City, and Philadelphia. He wants to handle this transaction through his organization. He told me to explain this to you and tell you that you are supposed to send me the bank account information where this money is at. I will then forward it to him. He will have his people transfer the money to an off shore bank account were it will not be able to be traced (I do not know how they will do it, but with these people you do not ask! Not if you want to live). Then they will transfer your share (70%) into an account here in the states for you and your partners when you get here. He will also transfer (20%) into another account for me. They will keep the final (10%) for themselves as payment for doing this. He explained to me that if you were to just transfer the whole amount to an account here in my name the Federal Government here would take the whole amount and both myself, as well as you and your partners would be arrested. Plus even if we got off on the charges and did not go to jail, we would still have to pay the government about 37.7% of the money in taxes.

Last thing he said was this had better not be a joke or scam on your part or else. As he explained to me; they have a very long reach. No were on this earth could you hide that they would not find you. And when to do; well, let just say no amount of money is going to protect you and your partners. It would not surprise me if by the time you get this, they will already know all about you and your partners and where you are.


Please respond as soon as possible

John


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I received this back from Chris:


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Subject: your uncle telephone number

From: chris buber

Date: Tue, Apr 19, 2005 3:52 am

To: john@dragonmay.com



Dear John,


I thank you for your mail and the sincerity which you have exhibited.

Am unhappy that you have attemted to release the confidentiality of this transaction but nevertheless since you said your uncle is a powerful person and is capable and interested in participating in this transaction, i have no cause to reject him since he is your family member or your close relative may be it will turn to good.

However,i want to believe you in all you have said about your uncle and am ready to go by it but i want you to know that am not scared or can i be intimidated in any way for i am a full ledged man of 53 years old and i have been in top government jobs for 25 years of my life.

Therefore if your uncle is ready to follow up this transaction you should ask him to send me his telephone numbers and i will like to give him a call as to acquiant him on the procedures of the transfer.

If he is realy interested i will educate him on our laid down procedures which must be folowed because he knows much about your government laws and regulations while we know about the laws of South Africa where the money is emanating from.

I may agree that the funds be transfered in parts or seperate accounts which you and your uncle will provide but not that i forward them the bank accounts so that they will transfer the money themselves i find that too difficult to believe.

If your uncle is sure or knows what he meant by that,he is yet to explain it to me.

I wiil appreciate your understanding as i look forward to hearing from you with the contact telephone numbers of your uncle.

I wish you the best of luck.


Best Regards,

Chris Buba.


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I sent this to Chris;


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Subject: your uncle telephone number

From: john@dragonmay.com

Date: Tue, Apr 19, 2005 6:53 pm

To: chris buber



Chris:


You amaze me. I could not believe the below email you sent me. Did you even read it all or should I say did you understand my email at all that I sent you??????????

IF YOU HAVE A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING WHAT I HAVE WROTE, PLEASE GET SOMEONE THAT DOES UNDERSTAND IT AND HAVE THEM EXPLAIN IT TO YOU!!!!!!!!

First off: HE IS NOT MY UNCLE; HE IS MY COUSIN'S HUSBAND'S UNCLE. They are Italian (that is my cousin's husband and his uncle are Italian, not me!).

Second; I did not attempt, nor did I let him know about this on purpose. My cousin's husband saw it on the computer screen while I was talking to my cousin. HE is the one that called HIS uncle and told him about it. There was nothing I could do about it.

Third; YOU DO NOT TELL HIM WHAT TO DO!!!!!!!! YOU DO NOT TELL HIM TO SEND HIS PHONE NUMBER!!!!!! I already told you HOW he wants this to be handled. Do you have any idea what you are playing with here???? You say you are 53 years old and have been in top government service for 25 years and yet you say you are not afraid of him. WOW, all I can say is if you are truly not afraid you must be either too stupid or too young to know any better. If this is true it means you are lying about your age and government service.

Fourth; He has connections with other organized crime groups around the world. They do this kind of thing all the time. It's called money laundering. They do not need your help nor do they want it, also by staying out of it and not doing anything it protects you from being involved in the transfer should something go wrong. All they need is the bank name and the bank account information.

Fifth; I am being harsh with you about this because you need to understand what you have become involved with here. This is the Mafia, not some big corporation. These people would wipe you out and walk away from it and no one would know they did it. The have people all over the world that work for them or do work for them. Does the word Godfather mean anything at all too you? The federal government here has been after him for 12 years now and they can not touch him. There is a reason for this. He does not become personally involved with anything his organization does. He only talks to one or two trusted (they would die before talking) persons and they talk to the others. He is surrounded by no less than 12 armed guards at all times. I am not even going to tell him about this email you sent me about wanting his phone number, because if I did he would probably put out a hit on you (that includes your partners) for trying to get something on him. What happened to your partners? You have not said a word about them. Do they know what you have stumbled into here? They have a right to know you are playing with their very lives with what you are doing.

Finally; do you have an English spelling checker or grammar checker? For someone that is supposed to have 25 years in Top Government Service and is supposed to be 53 years old, you spell and type like a young child. I find it very hard to believe that any government would have anyone in top government service for a month let along 25 years when they spell and type like you do.

Oh; what is up with your name and your job? In your first email you were 'MR CHRIS BUBER", but in your last two emails you are 'Chris Buba". Also in your first email your job was the 'SENIOR ACCOUNTANT SOUTH AFRICAN ANGLO GOLD CORPORATION", and now you are in 'top government jobs". (I copied and pasted your own words from your own emails and put them in quotation marks)


John


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I received this back from Chris:


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Subject: THANKS

From: chris buber

Date: Wed, Apr 20, 2005 7:07 am

To: john@dragonmay.com



Dear. Mr. John,


I read your mail and it is suprizing to me that the intention of your mail is to insult or agravate my temper.

However, i will not behave childish like you and this could not deter me from continueing business discussions with you because am sure if things work out fine at the end when i am face to face with you i would be able to lecture you on a few things about life as am very sure you are still a boy, if not a school boy.

I am realy captivated by you making mention of your counsins,inlaw's uncle whom you claim is powerful.

If throughly he is powerful and a mafia i will appreciate that, and am willing to deal with him as i will allow him to take charge of this transaction, but before that, i would like you to know that i am also a powerful person and am still not scared of him.even if you tell him about my words or my email message to you i still dont care.One thing i know is you are still a child you are quoting me as an accountant and now a top governemt functionary,what difference is between a top government functionary or official and an executive accountant in one of the government owned parastatal. Since am still in service i am still a government worker and in a top position while accountant is just the very position which i occupy, so my position as chief accountancy with anglo gold if you dont know you must know is a designation.

Now if you are interested in getting a piece of this cake and you really want to share in the benefits, please do your self a service by providing me with his telephone numbers so that i can speak with him man to man.

Also i want you to know that i am a man of my own words,if this deal has to be actualized it must be carried out on my own terms and according to the laid down procedures, all legal machineries are in place for a smooth successful ttransfer and that i know i will do but not by your mafia standard.

Should i go through your mafia standard and i do not have your telephone number or that of your Mafia Italian cousins brother inlaw,how then can i be sure to get my own part of the bargain after the deal is completed.

If you are a wise boy, you should behave the right way but if not you are to choose. but a word is enough for the wise one.


Bye and Best Regards,

Chris Buber.


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I sent this back to Chris;


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Subject: THANKS

From: john@dragonmay.com

Date: Wed, Apr 20, 2005 8:36 pm

To: chris buber



Chris;


I would say your last email amazed me, but it did not. It was how ever very amusing; you should have been a comedian. It was no less than I expected from you.

If anyone is acting childish it would be you. At no time did I call you a boy, or a child, or even a school boy. If you were able to understand English you would have understood what I said.

What I said was 'If you are truly not afraid you must be either too stupid or TOO YOUNG to know any better". This was about your not being afraid of a dangerous situation; mature people have respect for and are not embarrassed to admit having fear for things and situation that are dangerous. While young people do not have experience in life yet and they tend to feel they can do anything and nothing can harm them. I know this because I was young once and I have 3 (three) boys. One that graduates college this year, one that graduates High school this year, and one that goes into high school next year.

And the only other time I said anything about age is this; 'you spell and type LIKE A YOUNG CHILD". That was a comment about the way you type and spell nothing else.

So if it makes you feel like a big man to call me a boy, school boy, young child, or what ever, then go for it. It does not matter to me what you call me or what you think I am.

Next, If you think my email was to insult or aggravate your temper it just verifies that you are unable to understand English and that is starting to make me wonder if you are uneducated (as in you never finished school or are is still in school). I even put in a sentence about the way I wrote the email so you would understand. It was; 'I AM BEING HARSH WITH YOU ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I NEED YOU TO UNDERSTAND what you have become involved with here" Obviously that also was too complicated for you too understand.

As for you lecturing me on a few things about life, well, after my wife and I stopped laughing and I was able too dry the tears from my eyes from laughing so hard I thought back on something's. With six years in the military starting in 1974 (Does Vietnam mean anything to you?), add to that raising 3 (three) boys, owning and operating my own construction company, along with 20 odd years of other jobs necessary to support my family, and my current job of driving tractor trailers (that's really big trucks that tow really big trailers and weigh in at between 34,000 lbs (or 17 tons) to 80,000 lbs (or 40 tons) depending on the load). Add to that, that I have traveled in all 48 states in the continental U.S. as well as Canada, Iceland, Bermuda, and Aruba. I have seen adults and childrens killed right in front of me in ways that would make some people go crazy with nightmares.

And all that is just the tip of the iceberg as they say. I seriously doubt there is anything you could possibly lecture me on about life.

As far as his telephone number I already explained that to you, so reread my last email until you understand it.

Now you say (to use your own words); 'all legal machineries are in place for a smooth successful transfer". Someone in the position you say you are in would know that since the attack that happened here back on September 11, 2001, transfers of that large amount of money into the United States IS IN NO WAY LEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!! And every U.S. government agencies would be looking at it before the transfer was completed and anyone involved with the transfer would be arrested as possible terrorist. Need I explain this more or can you at least understand this?

You also never mention anything about your partners. Have you told them what you have gotten yourself into? Or did you tell them and they all ran off on you leaving you to face the music, so to speak?

I see you went back to using the name Buber instead of Buba like you used in your second and third emails. Funny you never explained that. Are you so bad at spelling that you can not remember how to spell your own name and had to see it in my email to remember?


John


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I sent this to the Company Anglo Gold to see if they would respond to me about it. But I never got a reply from them. Also Chris stopped reply to my emails after I sent this, makes me wonder about them.;


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Subject: I hope you can help me with this.

From: john@dragonmay.com

Date: Wed, Apr 20, 2005 9:23 pm

To: mculverwell@anglogoldashanti.com



Greetings;


Please excuse my contacting you about this, but your email address was the only one I could find. I hope you can help me with something. If you could past this on to the proper person or office that would handle something like this it would be greatly appreciated.

I have received an email from a person that is using the name Chris Buber. This person claims to be the Senior Accountant for South African Gold. I know this is a scam, but would like to notify your company about this, and if possible could you verify if you have anyone that works for your company by this name.

I am including the original email from this person so you can see it. I have been corresponding with this person for the past week and am ready to wrap it up with them. I had a web site were I gather some information about different scam and put them up so others do not get fooled into sending money or giving out there personal or bank information. I am currently collecting information on over 7 over scam letters at this time. Here is my web site address for the scam letters if you wish to verify the site: http://www.dragonmay.com/dragonmay/InternetScams.htm

Therefore I am also asking if your company would like to make a statement about this scam that I could include in the page I put up about it so that those who read it will know your company's feeling's on this matter.

I thank you for taking the time to read this and hope you will get back to me with something as soon as you can.


Sincerely, John

Email address; john@dragonmay.com

Here is the copy of the first scam email:


-------- Original Message --------

(I put the first email in full here)


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A couple days later I sent this to Chris;


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Subject: Whats wrong?

From: john@dragonmay.com

Date: Fri, Apr 22, 2005 9:28 pm

To: chris buber



Chris;


Hello?? Oh where, oh where has Chris gone?


Chris you have so disappointed me by not replying to my last email. I have so enjoyed our back and forth banter. We were just getting to know one another, and what do you turn around and do, you stop writing. Now where is the fun in that? And what will become of all that money? I already started making plans on how I would spend my share.


Waiting for your reply


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I sent this to Chris to see if his account was still open. Guess what, this is the first Yahoo email account of a scammer that I reported to (Yahoo! Mail ) and I found it closed. I figured since he was not going to reply to me anymore, I may as well report his email account to Yahoo on the chance they would do something. I got a reply the next day from Yahoo that they had taken the appropriate action against the account. I got this from MAILER-DAEMON {Hi. This is the qmail-send program at smtpout02-03.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.);


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Subject: Hello

From: john@dragonmay.com

Date: Thu, Apr 28, 2005 11:10 pm

To: chris buber



Chris


Why will you not answer my emails?


John


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Well he will not be scamming anyone from that email account anymore.




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Make no mistake about it, this is a scam.
Do not give out any of your personal or financial information.
Below I have links to other sites that will tell you even more about this and other internet scams.


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You can find more info about this and other scam's at these addresses:
http://www.419legal.org/
http://www.ripoffreport.com
http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com
http://www.fraudwatchinternational.com.


You can report this and other scam's at these sites:
http://www.ripoffreport.com
scams@fraudwatchinternational.com
http://www.secretservice.gov/contact_ecb.shtml








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